Comments on: The IAC at the ICF Conference: More Collaboration is Key for Coaching http://coachingcommons.org/featured/the-iac-at-the-icf-conference-more-collaboration-is-key-for-coaching/ Where Radical Possibilities are Explored & Pursued Sun, 10 Apr 2011 11:20:56 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Kerryn Griffiths http://coachingcommons.org/featured/the-iac-at-the-icf-conference-more-collaboration-is-key-for-coaching/comment-page-1/#comment-6126 Kerryn Griffiths Wed, 23 Dec 2009 00:10:25 +0000 http://coachingcommons.org/?p=7972#comment-6126 Marketing or rather, EDUCATION. As the comment below reveals, most coaches don't know that they have choice in professional associations. The ICF was definitely collaborating to allow the IAC to attend the conference. I have no doubt the IAC would reciprocate also. When one is not afraid to let its members know about the other, then co-opetition succeeds. Healthy collaboration with a dash of competition to keep everyone on their toes :) Kerryn Griffiths ReciproCoach >>> Where coaches go for coaching Marketing or rather, EDUCATION.

As the comment below reveals, most coaches don’t know that they have choice in professional associations.

The ICF was definitely collaborating to allow the IAC to attend the conference.

I have no doubt the IAC would reciprocate also.

When one is not afraid to let its members know about the other, then co-opetition succeeds. Healthy collaboration with a dash of competition to keep everyone on their toes :)

Kerryn Griffiths
ReciproCoach >>> Where coaches go for coaching

]]> By: Billy C H Teoh http://coachingcommons.org/featured/the-iac-at-the-icf-conference-more-collaboration-is-key-for-coaching/comment-page-1/#comment-6119 Billy C H Teoh Sun, 20 Dec 2009 01:57:42 +0000 http://coachingcommons.org/?p=7972#comment-6119 What are the differences between a 'credentialled-based' and 'competency-based' certification? Are we talking about 'coaching technical skills'; 'experienced-based skills'; 'traits, personality & behavioural profiling that a coach should have'; 'coaching knowledge whether declarative, procedural or performance-based'; 'ethical inclinations'; what else? Is there room for a 'practised-based' certification, where validation could be 360 degrees? Billy C H Teoh Malaysia. What are the differences between a ‘credentialled-based’ and ‘competency-based’ certification?

Are we talking about ‘coaching technical skills’; ‘experienced-based skills’; ‘traits, personality & behavioural profiling that a coach should have’; ‘coaching knowledge whether declarative, procedural or performance-based’; ‘ethical inclinations’; what else?

Is there room for a ‘practised-based’ certification, where validation could be 360 degrees?

Billy C H Teoh
Malaysia.

]]> By: Bob Tschannen-Moran http://coachingcommons.org/featured/the-iac-at-the-icf-conference-more-collaboration-is-key-for-coaching/comment-page-1/#comment-6117 Bob Tschannen-Moran Sat, 19 Dec 2009 11:26:39 +0000 http://coachingcommons.org/?p=7972#comment-6117 Although the tone of Mark's story communicates a sense of "hot, breaking news," as though something shocking was happening through the IAC's presence at the ICF Conference, our experience was rather different. There was genuine hospitality and interest on the part of virtually everyone we met to not only learn more about the IAC but to explore ways that cooperation may grow in the future. There is a place for a credential-based certification (ICF); there is also a place for a competency-based certification (IAC). And the two can not only coexist; they can refer and cooperate with mutual respect and appreciation for what each other has to offer. I can see the day when the IAC refers coaches to ICF-accredited training programs, among other ways to facilitate their journey into coaching competency. I can also see the day when the ICF refers coaches to the IAC for accreditation, if and when a coach chooses to not pursue all the requirements for ICF certification. Third-party validation of mastery and ethics is an essential part of any profession, and both the IAC and the ICF are playing that role in valuable ways when it comes to coaching. The IAC has been one of coaching's best-kept secrets. I'm glad more people are discovering us after 6 years. We expect exponential membership growth in the 2010-2011 time-frame, while I serve as President. And I appreciate this forum as one platform for talking about the future of coaching. Thanks, Mark! Thanks, Co@ching Commons! I look forward to staying connected. Although the tone of Mark’s story communicates a sense of “hot, breaking news,” as though something shocking was happening through the IAC’s presence at the ICF Conference, our experience was rather different. There was genuine hospitality and interest on the part of virtually everyone we met to not only learn more about the IAC but to explore ways that cooperation may grow in the future. There is a place for a credential-based certification (ICF); there is also a place for a competency-based certification (IAC). And the two can not only coexist; they can refer and cooperate with mutual respect and appreciation for what each other has to offer.

I can see the day when the IAC refers coaches to ICF-accredited training programs, among other ways to facilitate their journey into coaching competency. I can also see the day when the ICF refers coaches to the IAC for accreditation, if and when a coach chooses to not pursue all the requirements for ICF certification. Third-party validation of mastery and ethics is an essential part of any profession, and both the IAC and the ICF are playing that role in valuable ways when it comes to coaching.

The IAC has been one of coaching’s best-kept secrets. I’m glad more people are discovering us after 6 years. We expect exponential membership growth in the 2010-2011 time-frame, while I serve as President. And I appreciate this forum as one platform for talking about the future of coaching. Thanks, Mark! Thanks, Co@ching Commons! I look forward to staying connected.

]]> By: Greg Howard http://coachingcommons.org/featured/the-iac-at-the-icf-conference-more-collaboration-is-key-for-coaching/comment-page-1/#comment-6115 Greg Howard Fri, 18 Dec 2009 21:10:58 +0000 http://coachingcommons.org/?p=7972#comment-6115 In my view, the coaching industry is very fragmented, and because of this meaningful collaboration between coaching organizations is difficult. There are so many schools and organizations, all with their own unique interests and goals. For example, some are for-profit and others are non-profit. Some have a broad focus, others focus on an industry niche. Etcetera. I don't doubt Mr. Tschannen-Moran's sincerity, but where was the "collaboration"? It was a nice gesture, but simply showing up at the ICF Conference was a "collaboration"? As he says himself in the video, they're not going to join forces because of the difference in philosophy...so what else could the IAC board expect to accomplish for their members at the ICF Conference? From Mr. Tschannen-Moran's comments, it seems like the IAC's appearance was more of a marketing trip than anything else. With respect, Greg Howard LiveAnew (www.myliveanew.com/coaches) In my view, the coaching industry is very fragmented, and because of this meaningful collaboration between coaching organizations is difficult. There are so many schools and organizations, all with their own unique interests and goals. For example, some are for-profit and others are non-profit. Some have a broad focus, others focus on an industry niche. Etcetera.

I don’t doubt Mr. Tschannen-Moran’s sincerity, but where was the “collaboration”? It was a nice gesture, but simply showing up at the ICF Conference was a “collaboration”? As he says himself in the video, they’re not going to join forces because of the difference in philosophy…so what else could the IAC board expect to accomplish for their members at the ICF Conference? From Mr. Tschannen-Moran’s comments, it seems like the IAC’s appearance was more of a marketing trip than anything else.

With respect,

Greg Howard
LiveAnew (www.myliveanew.com/coaches)

]]> By: Kerryn Griffiths http://coachingcommons.org/featured/the-iac-at-the-icf-conference-more-collaboration-is-key-for-coaching/comment-page-1/#comment-6110 Kerryn Griffiths Fri, 18 Dec 2009 02:45:31 +0000 http://coachingcommons.org/?p=7972#comment-6110 CO-OPETITION! Love it Billy! If we did it, I think we'd cover much more ground in a shorter amount of time. Kerryn Griffiths ReciproCoach >>> Where coaches go for coaching http://www.ReciproCoach.com CO-OPETITION!

Love it Billy!

If we did it, I think we’d cover much more ground in a shorter amount of time.

Kerryn Griffiths
ReciproCoach >>> Where coaches go for coaching
http://www.ReciproCoach.com

]]> By: Billy C H Teoh http://coachingcommons.org/featured/the-iac-at-the-icf-conference-more-collaboration-is-key-for-coaching/comment-page-1/#comment-6109 Billy C H Teoh Thu, 17 Dec 2009 23:27:18 +0000 http://coachingcommons.org/?p=7972#comment-6109 The concept of "co-opetition" has been around for more than 12 years (where competitors get together to 'cooperate' to capture a particular market or for the good of their respective industry or for a noble cause). Does it makes sense for the coaching profession to do the same? What could likely happen if 'co-opetition' among all or the major players in the coaching field get engaged in such a move? Would that move evolve the profession forward? Billy C H Teoh Malaysia. The concept of “co-opetition” has been around for more than 12 years (where competitors get together to ‘cooperate’ to capture a particular market or for the good of their respective industry or for a noble cause).

Does it makes sense for the coaching profession to do the same?

What could likely happen if ‘co-opetition’ among all or the major players in the coaching field get engaged in such a move?

Would that move evolve the profession forward?

Billy C H Teoh
Malaysia.

]]> By: Maureen Rabotin http://coachingcommons.org/featured/the-iac-at-the-icf-conference-more-collaboration-is-key-for-coaching/comment-page-1/#comment-6105 Maureen Rabotin Thu, 17 Dec 2009 08:44:43 +0000 http://coachingcommons.org/?p=7972#comment-6105 Hello to all, IAC's step forward towards collaboration is not only a sign of the times, but a model for the industry. Yes, it takes courage to step forward and want to work towards a bigger vision of a flourishing industry. I am a proud member of IAC and ICF and ICCO. I look to these organizations for interesting exchanges,compelling visions and stimulating reflection. I have found what I have been looking for, each in their own context. As for the certification processes, they both have a strong researched foundation and complimentary approaches. By studying both processes and requirements, I learned even more about coaching than I had learned in the 3 years of study at an ICF- certified and a non-certified school. Let's look towards 2010 with hopes of coming together for fulfilling our passion - the potential to exceed our wildest dreams. Happy Holidays, Maureen Hello to all,
IAC’s step forward towards collaboration is not only a sign of the times, but a model for the industry. Yes, it takes courage to step forward and want to work towards a bigger vision of a flourishing industry. I am a proud member of IAC and ICF and ICCO. I look to these organizations for interesting exchanges,compelling visions and stimulating reflection. I have found what I have been looking for, each in their own context. As for the certification processes, they both have a strong researched foundation and complimentary approaches. By studying both processes and requirements, I learned even more about coaching than I had learned in the 3 years of study at an ICF- certified and a non-certified school.
Let’s look towards 2010 with hopes of coming together for fulfilling our passion – the potential to exceed our wildest dreams.
Happy Holidays,
Maureen

]]> By: Kerryn Griffiths http://coachingcommons.org/featured/the-iac-at-the-icf-conference-more-collaboration-is-key-for-coaching/comment-page-1/#comment-6104 Kerryn Griffiths Thu, 17 Dec 2009 01:23:08 +0000 http://coachingcommons.org/?p=7972#comment-6104 As the ReciproCoach founder and leader, I have worked with three professional associations, the ICF, the AC (Association for Coaching) and the IAC. I am a member of the ICF, a wanna-be member of the AC and was just elected as a board member of the IAC. Recently, I also chanced upon APAC (Asia Pacific Alliance of Coaches). Coaching professional associations are growing in numbers and each offers something different, yet they all represent the same industry. It would be nice to have collaboration between them in their representation of the same industry (to minimise confusion) and see them work for the greater good i.e. the advancement of the industry and coaches, rather than as competitors for members. As I'm experienced in running a global community, it makes sense to combine resources - the more members, the more benefits for members. Having said that, I remember in Australia when we only had one telephone company and then new companies were allowed in. It gave the consumer so much choice and made the original telephone company get on their toes and lose a bit of the complacency they had become notorious for. So in this regard, a little bit of healthy competition is also great for the consumer i.e. in this case, coaches! A nice balance between collaboration and competition would serve us all well and it seems this recent endeavour is moving towards striking that balance. Kerryn Griffiths ReciproCoach >>> Where coaches go for coaching http://www.ReciproCoach.com As the ReciproCoach founder and leader, I have worked with three professional associations, the ICF, the AC (Association for Coaching) and the IAC. I am a member of the ICF, a wanna-be member of the AC and was just elected as a board member of the IAC. Recently, I also chanced upon APAC (Asia Pacific Alliance of Coaches).

Coaching professional associations are growing in numbers and each offers something different, yet they all represent the same industry. It would be nice to have collaboration between them in their representation of the same industry (to minimise confusion) and see them work for the greater good i.e. the advancement of the industry and coaches, rather than as competitors for members.

As I’m experienced in running a global community, it makes sense to combine resources – the more members, the more benefits for members.

Having said that, I remember in Australia when we only had one telephone company and then new companies were allowed in. It gave the consumer so much choice and made the original telephone company get on their toes and lose a bit of the complacency they had become notorious for. So in this regard, a little bit of healthy competition is also great for the consumer i.e. in this case, coaches!

A nice balance between collaboration and competition would serve us all well and it seems this recent endeavour is moving towards striking that balance.

Kerryn Griffiths
ReciproCoach >>> Where coaches go for coaching
http://www.ReciproCoach.com

]]> By: Joan Marie Johnson http://coachingcommons.org/featured/the-iac-at-the-icf-conference-more-collaboration-is-key-for-coaching/comment-page-1/#comment-6102 Joan Marie Johnson Wed, 16 Dec 2009 20:02:33 +0000 http://coachingcommons.org/?p=7972#comment-6102 Mark - Thanks for this piece - I found it very well produced for a 3 minute discussion starter. The previous comment indicates that you have already raised awareness of the existence of the IAC, one of the last contributions made by Thomas Leonard to the coaching community. As Bob indicates in your interview, I believe there is room for both the ICF and the IAC, as they take equally valid, though different approaches to coach certification. Controversy around this issue, if I understand it correctly, stems from the highly emotional environment in which the IAC was established in 2003. As time has passed, the emotion has dissipated and now it is appropriate to look at the situation with a perspective of cooperation and abundance. Many thanks to the ICF for engaging so openly with the IAC. Warm regards, Joan Johnson, IAC Board Member Mark –
Thanks for this piece – I found it very well produced for a 3 minute discussion starter. The previous comment indicates that you have already raised awareness of the existence of the IAC, one of the last contributions made by Thomas Leonard to the coaching community.
As Bob indicates in your interview, I believe there is room for both the ICF and the IAC, as they take equally valid, though different approaches to coach certification. Controversy around this issue, if I understand it correctly, stems from the highly emotional environment in which the IAC was established in 2003. As time has passed, the emotion has dissipated and now it is appropriate to look at the situation with a perspective of cooperation and abundance.
Many thanks to the ICF for engaging so openly with the IAC.

Warm regards,
Joan Johnson, IAC Board Member

]]> By: Dee http://coachingcommons.org/featured/the-iac-at-the-icf-conference-more-collaboration-is-key-for-coaching/comment-page-1/#comment-6097 Dee Tue, 15 Dec 2009 20:46:45 +0000 http://coachingcommons.org/?p=7972#comment-6097 Hi Mark - just wanted to say a big THANK YOU for not shying away from juxtaposing these two associations and their missions. Personally, I'm still debating whether to pursue certification, especially after reading Thomas Leonard's words when he said himself that happy clients really are the best proof for a coach's qualifications. (Although granted, that's debatable. Some clients may be inclined to approve after having paid good money, others will praise pro-bono work out of a cultural sense of obligation.) The disconnect I've always seen is with the name, I guess. Certification implies to me that only after achieving it, I'll be ready to do something. In this case, coaches receive their certification after hundreds of hours of work, which should be sufficient proof in and of itself that they know how to do their jobs. Have a good one, Dee :-) Hi Mark – just wanted to say a big THANK YOU for not shying away from juxtaposing these two associations and their missions.
Personally, I’m still debating whether to pursue certification, especially after reading Thomas Leonard’s words when he said himself that happy clients really are the best proof for a coach’s qualifications. (Although granted, that’s debatable. Some clients may be inclined to approve after having paid good money, others will praise pro-bono work out of a cultural sense of obligation.)
The disconnect I’ve always seen is with the name, I guess. Certification implies to me that only after achieving it, I’ll be ready to do something. In this case, coaches receive their certification after hundreds of hours of work, which should be sufficient proof in and of itself that they know how to do their jobs.
Have a good one,
Dee :-)

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