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		<title>By: Sara Arbel, MCC</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sara Arbel, MCC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Dec 2009 11:05:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I keep track with the correspondance and the more I read the less I can express my thoughts and feelings around this subject, but, I can hear and read between the lines, and there is a voice that needs to be heard, and it&#039;s the voice of the art of coaching, the coaching leadership that we all seek, the leadership that expresses the art of listening and the art of loving and we are it&#039;s agents, teachers, learners, followers, students, partners and leaders. 
I would like to share with you a Parable of this kind of Leadership 
by W. Chan Kim and Renée A. Mauborgne Which I received from a Harvard management student following a discussion around ICF and leadership. 
The parable that follows shows the essential qualities of coaching leadership and the acts that define a leader coach: the ability to hear what is left unspoken, humility, commitment, the value of looking at reality from many vantage points, the ability to create an organization that draws out the unique strengths of every member. 

&lt;strong&gt;The Sound of the Forest&lt;/strong&gt; 
Back in the third century A.D., the King Ts’ao sent his son, Prince T’ai, to the temple to study under the great master Pan Ku. Because Prince T’ai was to succeed his father as king, Pan Ku was to teach the boy the basics of being a good ruler. When the prince arrived at the temple, the master sent him alone to the Ming-Li Forest. After one year, the prince was to return to the temple to describe the sound of the forest. 
When Prince T’ai returned, Pan Ku asked the boy to describe all that he could hear. “Master,” replied the prince, “I could hear the cuckoos sing, the leaves rustle, the hummingbirds hum, the crickets chirp, the grass blow, the bees buzz, and the wind whisper and holler.” When the prince had finished, the master told him to go back to the forest to listen to what more he could hear. The prince was puzzled by the master’s request. Had he not discerned every sound already? 
For days and nights on end, the young prince sat alone in the forest listening. But he heard no sounds other than those he had already heard. Then one morning, as the prince sat silently beneath the trees, he started to discern faint sounds unlike those he had ever heard before. The more acutely he listened, the clearer the sounds became. The feeling of enlightenment enveloped the boy. “These must be the sounds the master wished me to discern,” he reflected. 
When Prince T’ai returned to the temple, the master asked him what more he had heard. “Master,” responded the prince reverently, “when I listened most closely, I could hear the unheard—the sound of flowers opening, the sound of the sun warming the earth, and the sound of the grass drinking the morning dew.” The master nodded approvingly. “To hear the unheard,” remarked Pan Ku, “is a necessary discipline to be a good ruler. For only when a ruler has learned to listen closely to the people’s hearts, hearing their feelings uncommunicated, pains unexpressed, and complaints not spoken of, can he hope to inspire confidence in his people, understand when something is wrong, and meet the true needs of his citizens. The demise of states comes when leaders listen only to superficial words and do not penetrate deeply into the souls of the people to hear their true opinions, feelings, and desires.” 
With Joy, Sara Arbel, MCC, Tel Aviv, Israel.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I keep track with the correspondance and the more I read the less I can express my thoughts and feelings around this subject, but, I can hear and read between the lines, and there is a voice that needs to be heard, and it&#8217;s the voice of the art of coaching, the coaching leadership that we all seek, the leadership that expresses the art of listening and the art of loving and we are it&#8217;s agents, teachers, learners, followers, students, partners and leaders.<br />
I would like to share with you a Parable of this kind of Leadership<br />
by W. Chan Kim and Renée A. Mauborgne Which I received from a Harvard management student following a discussion around ICF and leadership.<br />
The parable that follows shows the essential qualities of coaching leadership and the acts that define a leader coach: the ability to hear what is left unspoken, humility, commitment, the value of looking at reality from many vantage points, the ability to create an organization that draws out the unique strengths of every member. </p>
<p><strong>The Sound of the Forest</strong><br />
Back in the third century A.D., the King Ts’ao sent his son, Prince T’ai, to the temple to study under the great master Pan Ku. Because Prince T’ai was to succeed his father as king, Pan Ku was to teach the boy the basics of being a good ruler. When the prince arrived at the temple, the master sent him alone to the Ming-Li Forest. After one year, the prince was to return to the temple to describe the sound of the forest.<br />
When Prince T’ai returned, Pan Ku asked the boy to describe all that he could hear. “Master,” replied the prince, “I could hear the cuckoos sing, the leaves rustle, the hummingbirds hum, the crickets chirp, the grass blow, the bees buzz, and the wind whisper and holler.” When the prince had finished, the master told him to go back to the forest to listen to what more he could hear. The prince was puzzled by the master’s request. Had he not discerned every sound already?<br />
For days and nights on end, the young prince sat alone in the forest listening. But he heard no sounds other than those he had already heard. Then one morning, as the prince sat silently beneath the trees, he started to discern faint sounds unlike those he had ever heard before. The more acutely he listened, the clearer the sounds became. The feeling of enlightenment enveloped the boy. “These must be the sounds the master wished me to discern,” he reflected.<br />
When Prince T’ai returned to the temple, the master asked him what more he had heard. “Master,” responded the prince reverently, “when I listened most closely, I could hear the unheard—the sound of flowers opening, the sound of the sun warming the earth, and the sound of the grass drinking the morning dew.” The master nodded approvingly. “To hear the unheard,” remarked Pan Ku, “is a necessary discipline to be a good ruler. For only when a ruler has learned to listen closely to the people’s hearts, hearing their feelings uncommunicated, pains unexpressed, and complaints not spoken of, can he hope to inspire confidence in his people, understand when something is wrong, and meet the true needs of his citizens. The demise of states comes when leaders listen only to superficial words and do not penetrate deeply into the souls of the people to hear their true opinions, feelings, and desires.”<br />
With Joy, Sara Arbel, MCC, Tel Aviv, Israel.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Tschannen-Moran</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob Tschannen-Moran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Dec 2009 21:01:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m surprised, in option 3 above, that the International Association of Coaching (www.CertifiedCoach.org) was not mentioned. The IAC has already begun having conversations with ICF Board members regarding how our two organizations could collaborate in ways that would best advance both the future of coaching and the future of coach certification. The IAC sees its certication as comparable to the MCC vis-a-vis the standards set for those who gain the credential. It makes sense, then, to explore the value of this credential in the current conversation regarding certification. As the incoming President of the IAC, I&#039;d love to know your thoughts!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m surprised, in option 3 above, that the International Association of Coaching (www.CertifiedCoach.org) was not mentioned. The IAC has already begun having conversations with ICF Board members regarding how our two organizations could collaborate in ways that would best advance both the future of coaching and the future of coach certification. The IAC sees its certication as comparable to the MCC vis-a-vis the standards set for those who gain the credential. It makes sense, then, to explore the value of this credential in the current conversation regarding certification. As the incoming President of the IAC, I&#8217;d love to know your thoughts!</p>
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		<title>By: Alix von Uhde</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alix von Uhde</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Dec 2009 11:46:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, Jonathan, I think brainstorming is an apt term to use.  However, I don’t think it would be accurate to say “a brainstorming session”, as I have heard many of these ideas being floated with increasing frequency since 2006. And yes, there are no recommendations from ICF Coaches Take A Stand other that those requests contained in the letter to the Board which can be viewed and signed at http://icfcoachestakeastand.org/index.php?en_view-and-sign-letter
This is clearly a collection of ideas, thoughts, possibilities, and options – each of which has its proponents, but they are not recommendations.  

As far as the root problems, I think you’re right.  However, reading through the summary and comments documents provided by ICF, reading all the various threads here, on LinkedIn, etc. listening to all the available recordings, I haven’t been able to find ideas offered, suggestions made or questions asked that weren’t offered, made or asked in one way or another by the Assessors over the last 2 plus years. Of course, I may have missed something but probably not that much. Noticing that I can’t help but think about the so often emphasized need for a “legally defensible” credential by the Board and Credentialing Chair during the early stages of this discussion.  And the many times we asked what exactly that meant and where exactly it should be “legally defensible”.  That emphasis has faded somewhat, but our questions have never been answered. It makes me wonder exactly what the Board wants in the way of enhancements to the credentialing program and why.  And it makes me very hesitant to offer up any more ideas, or suggestions. 

That said, I would be happy to sit down – literally or virtually – with you and a group of experienced Assessors, who would most certainly be the appropriate subject matter experts for this endeavor, and work through the process of clarifying the issues and possible solutions.   If the ICF environment changes – if we get real answers to our questions – if transparency prevails – if the governance issues are addressed and acted on – if consistency and clarity in positions are articulated forthrightly and openly – etc. then I would be happy to offer the results to ICF.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, Jonathan, I think brainstorming is an apt term to use.  However, I don’t think it would be accurate to say “a brainstorming session”, as I have heard many of these ideas being floated with increasing frequency since 2006. And yes, there are no recommendations from ICF Coaches Take A Stand other that those requests contained in the letter to the Board which can be viewed and signed at <a target="_blank" href="http://icfcoachestakeastand.org/index.php?en_view-and-sign-letter"  rel="nofollow">http://icfcoachestakeastand.org/index.php?en_view-and-sign-letter</a><br />
This is clearly a collection of ideas, thoughts, possibilities, and options – each of which has its proponents, but they are not recommendations.  </p>
<p>As far as the root problems, I think you’re right.  However, reading through the summary and comments documents provided by ICF, reading all the various threads here, on LinkedIn, etc. listening to all the available recordings, I haven’t been able to find ideas offered, suggestions made or questions asked that weren’t offered, made or asked in one way or another by the Assessors over the last 2 plus years. Of course, I may have missed something but probably not that much. Noticing that I can’t help but think about the so often emphasized need for a “legally defensible” credential by the Board and Credentialing Chair during the early stages of this discussion.  And the many times we asked what exactly that meant and where exactly it should be “legally defensible”.  That emphasis has faded somewhat, but our questions have never been answered. It makes me wonder exactly what the Board wants in the way of enhancements to the credentialing program and why.  And it makes me very hesitant to offer up any more ideas, or suggestions. </p>
<p>That said, I would be happy to sit down – literally or virtually – with you and a group of experienced Assessors, who would most certainly be the appropriate subject matter experts for this endeavor, and work through the process of clarifying the issues and possible solutions.   If the ICF environment changes – if we get real answers to our questions – if transparency prevails – if the governance issues are addressed and acted on – if consistency and clarity in positions are articulated forthrightly and openly – etc. then I would be happy to offer the results to ICF.</p>
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		<title>By: Billy C H Teoh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Billy C H Teoh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 23:47:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am still wondering if the ICF credentialling issue is rooted on &#039;leadership&#039;, &#039;management of change&#039;, &#039;technical&#039;, &#039;differences of opinions or perspectives&#039;, &#039;understanding the ICF members&#039; needs particularly PCCs &amp; MCCs&#039;, &#039;ICF&#039;s strategic directions, operating structures, systems, processes &amp; modes (including about the assessor&#039;s issues)&#039;, or any other &#039;missed agendas&#039;?

Perhaps, facilitating a root cause hopefully using coaching process modelling could help?

Merry Christmas, Happy New Year, and towards a great 2010 to everyone.


Billy C H Teoh
Malaysia.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am still wondering if the ICF credentialling issue is rooted on &#8216;leadership&#8217;, &#8216;management of change&#8217;, &#8216;technical&#8217;, &#8216;differences of opinions or perspectives&#8217;, &#8216;understanding the ICF members&#8217; needs particularly PCCs &amp; MCCs&#8217;, &#8216;ICF&#8217;s strategic directions, operating structures, systems, processes &amp; modes (including about the assessor&#8217;s issues)&#8217;, or any other &#8216;missed agendas&#8217;?</p>
<p>Perhaps, facilitating a root cause hopefully using coaching process modelling could help?</p>
<p>Merry Christmas, Happy New Year, and towards a great 2010 to everyone.</p>
<p>Billy C H Teoh<br />
Malaysia.</p>
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		<title>By: Sherry Lowry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sherry Lowry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 19:24:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Susan, thank you so much taking the time to organize then provide this comprehensive summary. With this, a URL is also created that will be an invaluable resource for others to gain succinct clarity quickly and effectively.

- Sign me - a very appreciative MCC coach based in Austin Texas USA</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Susan, thank you so much taking the time to organize then provide this comprehensive summary. With this, a URL is also created that will be an invaluable resource for others to gain succinct clarity quickly and effectively.</p>
<p>- Sign me &#8211; a very appreciative MCC coach based in Austin Texas USA</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Sibley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonathan Sibley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 19:17:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it might be helpful to clarify that this is the compilation of what was, essentially, a brainstorming session. Some of the ideas are mutually exclusive and others are not.

Am I correct in saying that these are ideas that have been &quot;floated&quot; by participants in ICF Coaches Take a Stand and which would require more discussion, and are not specific recommendations from the group as a whole?

Also, at the risk of repeating myself, I feel there is still work to be done on agreeing on and communicating what the top credentialing issues are - whether that is done by the ICF leadership or others. It&#039;s hard for me to see how we come up with the best solution if we haven&#039;t agreed on what the root problems are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it might be helpful to clarify that this is the compilation of what was, essentially, a brainstorming session. Some of the ideas are mutually exclusive and others are not.</p>
<p>Am I correct in saying that these are ideas that have been &#8220;floated&#8221; by participants in ICF Coaches Take a Stand and which would require more discussion, and are not specific recommendations from the group as a whole?</p>
<p>Also, at the risk of repeating myself, I feel there is still work to be done on agreeing on and communicating what the top credentialing issues are &#8211; whether that is done by the ICF leadership or others. It&#8217;s hard for me to see how we come up with the best solution if we haven&#8217;t agreed on what the root problems are.</p>
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